The Heart and Soul of the 4 Wheel Jamborees

Three Minutes is all you need?

I have made it to the Lima Jamboree 4 times, and the Indy Jamboree 3 times. Each time I roll through the show & shine to be judged. But I always question the time that is given to look at each truck, I wonder if you are seeing everything that was improved upon. There are a couple of us that ask that same question. Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Ron on May 20, 2008 at 4:55pm: Three minutes does not seem like a long time, but it only takes a trained judge that or less time to see what is needed. Each judge does 3 areas of the vehicle. Say one does paint, interior and suspension. Realistically in 30 seconds he can look over the paint and see the quality. He can stare at it for 5 minutes, but it will not change...lol. Rick has been the 4W judging Supervisor for over 10 years, and his staff are all ISCA judges that have over 20 years experience. They are not fly by night locals, they come in from all over the country to do this, to make it fair and un-bias.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 20, 2008 at 7:37pm: Jim,
That question comes up during every Jamboree; "that's all...you guys are done?" I don't blame you for scratching your head, and wondering if the time we spend is sufficient. Let me expand on what Ron stated, each judge has two (2) or three (3) areas to look at, the number of areas is dependent upon the amount of judges at each event.
If a particular judge's area of responsibility is plating/polishing and paint that's all the judge will look at. If he has to take a "break," judging stops, until he returns, this is to keep a consistency in the judging.
I have also seen trucks at our South Carolina Jamboree, show up a week later at our Missouri Jamboree, and we still give them the same attention, even though I just saw it last week, hey...you can do a lot in a week. Rest assured Jim that we see everything you want us to see and even some stuff you don't.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by tom vandevender on May 21, 2008 at 3:49pm: Is there a way i can get your feed back on my week spots on my truck i know them but i want to see what your seeing if i can e-mail you pics let me know if im going to keep putting money in it i want to know where that way when indy is here i can have my i s dotted and t s crossed are if im beating a dead horse let me know thanks; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 21, 2008 at 6:59pm: Tom,

Participants have been sending me their photos for years, for just this reason. Send me some nice well lit shots and I will take a look at them. I will get you pushed in the right direction. You should have said something to me in Lima I would have been more than happy to go over your truck with you. Send your photos to scroff1@aol.com, Thanks Tom; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Deviant on May 22, 2008 at 5:54pm: i would also be interested in some feedback myself, this is the first time that i have judged in about 5 yrs.......thank you; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 22, 2008 at 11:16pm: Deviant,

No problem, send your photos to the same address, scroff1@aol.com. Try to include what you think are your weak/strong areas. As stated before, well lit photos are much easier to critique than dark blurry shots. I will get you on the right track. Thanks Deviant.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by intimidator4x4 on May 24, 2008 at 2:17pm: I'm working to get judged at Indy this is what I have
Suspension and undercarrage are stock and painted black with traction bars and torision bars painted grey
Stock engine with wire loom covering hoses wires etc, but only one color
Stock interior with stereo and subs, bed has liner with a cover on it
Stock paint color with stainless trim at bottom
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Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 24, 2008 at 9:43pm: Intimidator,

The modifications that you described would put you in the Street Class. Under the hood your modifications are minimal, and even if your sub-Woofer system was hand laid fiberglass and had an aquarium built in...that is only one major change. You need three (3) major interior changes to count as an interior modification. Your one modification is painting, plating or powder coating any part of the suspension (components) system, not the black paint but the gray paint on the traction bars.

Street Zero = Zero Modifications
Street = One Modification
Modified = Up to Three Modifications
Pro Class = Unlimited Modifications

I hope that answers your question, if not keep asking questions...Indy's a long way out.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Nick Schilling on May 27, 2008 at 11:18pm: Is their any way that we can see the scores that we recieve. We won a couple of classes in Indy last year and did a lot of work in the offseason and won again at Anderson. Just wanted to know if our score reflected our work.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 28, 2008 at 4:26pm: Nick,

After the awards ceremony on Sunday is the best time, but if you call or write Ron Carlson (look for that icon)
As far as your scores increasing/decreasing; remember we use different judges at different events, so comparing your scores from SC to your scores from Indy might just raise more questions. One judge from SC may score your paint as a 9 and you would have the best paint score of the day. Another judge in Indy could score your paint as 7 and could still have the best paint score. Some judges like to score high, starting out at maybe 5, while other will start low, maybe 2. Keep this in mind when looking at your scores.
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Permalink Reply by Nick Schilling on May 29, 2008 at 5:11pm: Thanks for the reply. Trying to figure out what else we need to do to compete for the Grand Champion trophy. Thanks again and we will see yall in Bloomsburg.; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Trained Judging Squirrel on May 29, 2008 at 10:09pm: Grand Champion? The first and foremost thing to do is take your vehicle to its limits with changes. Example; You are allowed two (2) body changes before it is considered a modification...do two (2). If you have a modification such as paint, squeeze that mod for all its worth. In other words make sure everything is painted and the skill of the painter reflects high quality workmanship. Because the other guy that wants to be Grand Champion is doing this plus some.

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